What really happened?
who knows?
do you know?
does she know?
does he know?
NO ONE KNOWS, PEOPLE.
FOR ALLL WE KNOW THIS COUNTRY COULD BE RUN BY GERBILS. OUR SOLDIERS COULD BE COMMITTING GENOCIDE IN IRAQ. THIS WORLD COULD BE COMPLETELY CONTROLED BY A SUPREME DICTATOR FOR LIFE, AND EVERTHING WE "KNOW" COULD BE PROPAGANDA.
who knows?
do you know?
I THINK I know:
-capitalism is good.
-war is horrible, BUT IT SOLVES THINGS.
-saddam hussein? a dictator.
-dictators? BAD. dictators commit crimes against humanity. Saddam is guilty of many, many, many crimes against humanity.
-saddam hussein is no longer murdering people. Because of the US invading Iraq. (So is the war bad?)
-Bush gets blamed for everything that goes wrong. OF COURSE HE DOES. If Kerry were in charge, we'd be blaming him for everything that goes wrong. When Abe Lincon was in charge, people blamed him for everything that went wrong. But do we now think that Lincon was one of our best presidents? YES. Does this mean that I support bush? NO.
-If we sat there and did nothing after 9/11, the terrorists would NOT have simply GONE AWAY. they do NOT have the same mentality as your little sibling (sry, roch.)
-the prisoner scandals involved with this war are horrendous, wrong and they make me physicaly sick....-And history? the saddest thing I have ever studied. I come out of that class every day, and sometimes I am physicaly sick about it. seriously, it makes me so depressed.
posted by Esperanza Rising @ 3:45 p.m.
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13 Comments:
i would have to disagree with the fact that war solves things. yes, it solves them temporarily, but it usually just causes people to be angry and hateful and seek revenge.
Ok. I mostly agree. YAY! SOMEONE THINKS SOMEWHAT LIKE MYSELF! But war does sort of solve things for a little while. But usually the people you 'get rid of' come back and they're usually VERY angry. So it doesn't actually end the problem. Just make it smaller. For a little while. I have no idea what I think anymore.
Shut up or I'll make you. I'm in a perfectly fine mood.
lol! yeah, i know what you mean about not knowing what you think anymore...
i don't know if i could study military history. regular history is bad enough for me already.
war generally can solve things if done right. but it should only happen after weighing the possible life lost with the alternatives, the other lost lives, the rights being taken away, the los of whatever cause you feel is worth fighting for. I don't like war, but i feel that sometimes it is right.
with the thing in iraq, our pretense for this war was completely wrong, and while we did accomplish something good in it (taking that awful dictator out of power) we must also remember that it was our government that PUT that awful dictator in power. then again, it does little good now to remember that, it was still a problem that had to be fixed but.. they should have found a valid reason to do this and not deceive us like that. I don't know all that much about the specifics of the war, really, but it seems as though they could have found a better way of getting saddam hussein out of power. waging war on his entire country and killing over a thousand american soldiers and countless thousands of iraqi soldiers and civilians, did all that have to happen to remove this corrupt and terrible man from power? I realize that assassination sounds very low and wrong, but wouldn't it be worth it to assassinate him if possible, if it would save that many innocent lives, all this emotion (and, some might mention, all that money)? I'm not sure. I don't know if I really think that would have been better or not. I do know it is pointless to look back on the past merely to ponder what might have been. we ned to learn from it when possible and then just figure out where to go from here.
[going back to the assassination idea, the cons of that are that it is immoral and shows other countries that we do not abide by our own standards (which we have already done by ignoring the UN)it seems as though if we did that and the public found out, it would give an okay to anyone to assassinate someone they didn't like as long as they could justify it to themselves alone. (hey kids, murder is fun!) another pro ofthis is that there would be no reconstruction necessary, or very litte, and we could have fewer troops overseas or we could use them in places where they are needed (are we not hearing about north korea and all that because nothing is happening, or because we still have no resources to waste on that while the mission in iraq is still going?) a con though related to that is that we would not have 'spread democracy!' as that is only acheived through the reconstruction.]
I do not feel that this war was started by nine eleven. and I am sick and tired of every political speech including the phrase "since nine eleven" ever since nine eleven. hah. hah. I still do not see any proof that the two are linked. there has not been any specific connection made, no evidence, only hearsay. I still feel that this war was preemptive and we anticipated something that wasn't going to come. either that or it really was just an excuse to get saddam out of power. which is ridiculous.
america has no need to go out to another country and improve life for the people there. it sounds nice, yes, but governemtns are incapable of doing 'nice' things. they only do things that benefit themselves. individuals are capable of kindness, but corporations and governemnts have only one objective, and that is to support themselves the best they can. so does that mean that this war was to unite americans? bring back patriotism.. more than.. it was? I don't know. I can't understand why exactly we went into this war. everyone has a different theory and that's one thing that worries me. we should KNOW. when that many lives are at stake, we can't afford NOT to know.
how very inconclusive!
I apologize for the length of this I guess I haven't talked about politics in a really long time and I got started and didn't really stop. ehh... don't read it if you don't want to. man what a long comment. is there a limit on comment space?
blahblahblah!
goodnight!
war generally can solve things if done right. but it should only happen after weighing the possible life lost with the alternatives, the other lost lives, the rights being taken away, the los of whatever cause you feel is worth fighting for. I don't like war, but i feel that sometimes it is right.
with the thing in iraq, our pretense for this war was completely wrong, and while we did accomplish something good in it (taking that awful dictator out of power) we must also remember that it was our government that PUT that awful dictator in power. then again, it does little good now to remember that, it was still a problem that had to be fixed but.. they should have found a valid reason to do this and not deceive us like that. I don't know all that much about the specifics of the war, really, but it seems as though they could have found a better way of getting saddam hussein out of power. waging war on his entire country and killing over a thousand american soldiers and countless thousands of iraqi soldiers and civilians, did all that have to happen to remove this corrupt and terrible man from power? I realize that assassination sounds very low and wrong, but wouldn't it be worth it to assassinate him if possible, if it would save that many innocent lives, all this emotion (and, some might mention, all that money)? I'm not sure. I don't know if I really think that would have been better or not. I do know it is pointless to look back on the past merely to ponder what might have been. we ned to learn from it when possible and then just figure out where to go from here.
[going back to the assassination idea, the cons of that are that it is immoral and shows other countries that we do not abide by our own standards (which we have already done by ignoring the UN)it seems as though if we did that and the public found out, it would give an okay to anyone to assassinate someone they didn't like as long as they could justify it to themselves alone. (hey kids, murder is fun!) another pro ofthis is that there would be no reconstruction necessary, or very litte, and we could have fewer troops overseas or we could use them in places where they are needed (are we not hearing about north korea and all that because nothing is happening, or because we still have no resources to waste on that while the mission in iraq is still going?) a con though related to that is that we would not have 'spread democracy!' as that is only acheived through the reconstruction.]
I do not feel that this war was started by nine eleven. and I am sick and tired of every political speech including the phrase "since nine eleven" ever since nine eleven. hah. hah. I still do not see any proof that the two are linked. there has not been any specific connection made, no evidence, only hearsay. I still feel that this war was preemptive and we anticipated something that wasn't going to come. either that or it really was just an excuse to get saddam out of power. which is ridiculous.
america has no need to go out to another country and improve life for the people there. it sounds nice, yes, but governemtns are incapable of doing 'nice' things. they only do things that benefit themselves. individuals are capable of kindness, but corporations and governemnts have only one objective, and that is to support themselves the best they can. so does that mean that this war was to unite americans? bring back patriotism.. more than.. it was? I don't know. I can't understand why exactly we went into this war. everyone has a different theory and that's one thing that worries me. we should KNOW. when that many lives are at stake, we can't afford NOT to know.
how very inconclusive!
I apologize for the length of this I guess I haven't talked about politics in a really long time and I got started and didn't really stop. ehh... don't read it if you don't want to. man what a long comment. is there a limit on comment space?
blahblahblah!
goodnight!
holy cow, that was like an essay except without any sentence structure, spelling, or........ stuff. yeah. man. crazy. hi.
Uh, yeah. Ok.
I have a tiny question. Please don't let this turn you against me. i have a way of making people do that. If you think me saying this is going to do that to you, don't read this.
Everything you just said....
Like 9/11 not being connected with the war.... Did you come up with that idea or did you hear it from some guy telling other people that? If so, did you immediatly think that guy was right and didn't question it? Or did you think it through and then decide? If you didn't hear it from someone what gives you that idea? did you search for the answer?
I ask this not because i doubt its truth, but because so many people hear things and think they're true just because someone else said so.
Please don't hate me just for questioning things.
Say nothing. Hear everything.
about the things i'm saying like, 'say nothing, hear everything'
they're not what i practice. they're what i wish i could do.
Say nothing, hear everything.
actually the war in iraq IS directly connected with 9/11. Bush used 9/11 to go to war with the terrorists in afghanistan. then he said "omg! there are is a whole country of terrorists called Iraq! and they have weapons of mass destruction! at least that's what my highly secretive information that no one but me can see, says. we must fight them! otherwise more of your husbands and wives and children will die! just like that horrible day: 9/11!" it's like it was all planned. sometimes i think it was.
and... over TWO thousand american soldiers have died in Iraq. Just in case you didn't realize this... those are 2000 potential HUSBANDS!!!
Ok. I have to ask you the same question that i asked laura, rochwen.
I think it's a little farfetched that Bush hired people to crash airplanes into buildings to start a war.
The whole thing about hearing.
I thought it was either near or over two thousadn but I didn't want to say it was more than it was so I said over one thousand (two thousand IS ove one thousand, right?) lol. thanks for saying that though, I DO realize that htose are over two thousand potential husbands (except maybe the girls, you've got to remember there are women in the military.. then again, they might make good husbands too for someone, you never know)
I say that there is not connection because nobody has shown me a connection. not because someone told me there wasn't any connection. I thought I was relatively clear there.... and that didn't turn me against you but only because you made it clear that the question was not being asked in an aggressive way. a lot of people DO form their opinions just on other people's opinions..
sorry I posted that huge long thingie twice, I didn't realize that had happened. i think it's because my compuer hates me.
I think it is possible that there is actual evidence somehow somewhere that there is a connection between the two, perhaps, something we aren;t supposed to know (because it might give away where we got our intelligence and thereby prevent further intelligence to be gathered in that manner or something) but that's just speculation. as far as evidence that we can see, there's nothing. I've looked and asked and researched before and found nothing online, in the news, the newspapers, the blahblahblah, I've found nothing anywhere easily (or even not-so-easily) accessible that shows a direct link between the two.
you know, I'm not very sure of my own opinions I have almost no courage in my convictions. I don't fel very strongly about anything anymore. if you'd told me you disagreed with everything I said, I might have said "oh. well, I'm tired and i don't know anything. don't hate me."
I just say things as I think them sometimes. and what makessense at four in the morning doesn't always make sense during the day. and of course. I don't know what I think and I'm afraid of other eople assuming that just because I speak means I have something to say about which i feel ery strongly. I most likely don't. if i do, I'll say that i feel strongly about it. if not, I'm just rambling.
so now I'm going backand saying thatn othing I say matters. man. i need to stop while I'm ahead.
I think what I meant to say was just "don't take me too seriously, I don't like arguing and I don't like offending people." not directed at anyone in specific but in regards to everyone in general.
blahblhblahblah. I've had about two hours of sleep since yesterday mourning and I whoa, morning, not mourning and I'm really tired and my head still hurts and I cn't focus 'cause I'm in a REALLY REALLY bad mood right not.
sorry! *hugs to all*
goodnight!
ps. I doubt the nine eleven attacks were caused by our own government. that seems very unlikely. but i do feel that the current administration as well as basically all politicians on any level are taking advantage of it.
I don't believe in anything. I agree with nothing, stand against everything. I don't think what Bush is doing is right. But I don't think it's wrong. Now I said it... Everyone is going to shoot me.... See? I don't agree with anything. Everyone is saying he's evil. He's ruining the world. Maybe it's true. You're going to jump on me and tell me it's true. I'm at the point where i'll just cover my neck and hope you don't snap it. I only disagree with what is said because NOTHING IS BEING SAID. I hear a lot. A lot of nothing. It sounds like babble. All i hear is "evil bush... evil bush... war is bad... evil bush..." (now eveyrone really hates me) (i'm not trying to insult someone. please forgive me if i accidentally do) And nothing is being said. Just insulting. No one is actually being constructive. It's just Bad bad bad bad. I'm just what what what what what what what? So many people are mad at Bush. They make it sound like he's going in and shooting everything that moves and cleaning it up with money just so he can take oil. Some say he's doing it for revenge. Some people say really immature stuff that obviously hasn't been thought out and is just like saying people are wrong to breathe. I don't know what to think any more. I just feel what not to think. Maybe i should shut up. I don't know anymore. I wish every one would realize wh....
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